A month and a half ago I started working in a medical office. During the evening peak hours, I met a super cute Jewish girl. Sense of humor, quick with a comeback, expressive, and annoying in a lot of the right ways.
Aside from the ethical obstacle of, "keeping relationships with patients professional." Which I've tried to work around and was cockblocked by a doctor on staff. After scheduling her for an appointment, it turns out she's 20, where I'm 29 going on 30 this year.
Up to this point, the impression was that she's 26. Can't remember if she told me or if this was assumed. But it's put me in a weird head space about age. Because we've all seen or heard of older guys dating younger girls. It can come across as creepy. Depending on the age gap and other contextual points. Aside from that. My own impression of her started to change. Such as how mature she is vs. someone around my age and so on.
Not sure how to feel about the situation. What are your thoughts on dating younger women.
Scrolling through Feeld, after reading about it from one of Alex's reports, came across a busty brunette (8/10). Her Bio: "I'm easy and fun to be with 😁🤪" with her kik information below. Re-downloaded the app and sent her a, "Hey trouble." Although I've been experimenting with "You seem like trouble" and "You seem interesting" with some results (still monitoring for efficacy).
That was Saturday. Sunday afternoon she responded with, "How are you doing." Not great, but not terrible. Decided to DHV with the following: "Outstanding. Being a trainer sometimes feels like one part life coach and another therapist." That garnered an incredibly bland, "That's nice."
Not a lot to work worth but still something. My investment might have been too much and too try hard but having some feedback would help. Thought about commenting on how she looks like she works out or that her username no doubt is a reference to Doc Martens boots.
Me: "Hey trouble" (SAT, Evening)
Her: "How are you doing." (SUN, Late Afternoon)
Me: Outstanding. Being a trainer feels like one part life coach and another therapist." (MON, Noon)
Her: "That's nice." (MON, Noon, shortly thereafter)
PREMISE (Spring)
Ms. Latina and I met at a friend's b-day party sometimes around May/April of this year. The friend in question was actually a previous hookup. Shortly thereafter Ms. Latina and I started texting back and forth. We met up for sushi a week or two later. Fooled around some. Then planned to meet again. The problem is that something always came up. If I didn't respond soon enough, or started getting in my head about things, it would start to hurt the vibe. Eventually, things fizzled out for a few months. Until I started re-engaging in September.
It's worth noting that she's a 6" busty Latina from Columbia who's into the "Daddy" type. Being that she's also a bartender, her hours of work and sleep are different. So no doubt a lot of guys are hitting on her. We have some established relationship, as well as history, which can be rekindled again.
SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER
Started making contact again with value offering texts. A combination of memes, pictures/videos of self, travel, and funny/interesting statements. Recently, I sent her an old Halloween costumer with a simple, "Happy Halloween." She responded days later with a video of her own costume. Wasn't sure what to say. So I decided to leave it alone. If I could change anything. I might have "Liked" her picture (Apple iPhone's can do that), and left it at that. That way I gave her some soft validation without feeding her ego too much.
PRESENT
Followed up by sending a clip from an IG story with another girl. Saying, "Hands down the best pho in the city." Haven't received anything yet. Wasn't expecting to. But I'm trying different approaches. Alex had previously mentioned that we became "texting buddies" and hadn't been doing much push/pull or takeaways. So it's a delicate balance between stoking the fire but remaining high value in the process.
GOAL
Have Ms. Latina to invest once more, change the frame, and get her on dates. Work through sticking point that include: a general understanding of the fundamentals of Game, push/pull and takeaways, compliance ladders, frame control, getting stuck inside my own head.
This an old one that spans the course of 7 years when aim.com/mail and Craigslist Personal Connections were still a thing. One that I look back as one of my proudest moments in game. Despite having "failed forward" through the process. Keep in mind that this is at a time when I wasn't really making an adamant effort to learn pickup/game/social dynamics.
Craigslist had always been a curiosity to me that I always wanted to try. Here, I'm not entirely sure how it started. Either I made a post and she messaged me or the other way around. One or the other.
She's about 5'7' or taller, Ecuadorian, busty with implants, lean figure, and an accent. Let's rate her as a 9 (then) and 8.4 (as I view her now). Experience and personal preference will change these things over time.
We start exchanging messages. Not much in terms of breaking rapport or comfort building. We quickly started talking about the meet, and what we'll do once we get there. She gives me her number, and... nothing. "What do you mean nothing?" Admittedly, I didn't text, or call, or anything. I was too damn nervous. All the signs were there. She was DTF. But it was a lot for me to process. This... wasn't exactly me. But I wanted her. In the end, I opted to do nothing. Some years go by and I regret not following up with her. Until I set out to find her again on CL.
There were some details that I remembered about her. After some scrolling through CL I found her post. After reaching out we started messaging one another. Get her number and take things to the phone. One landslide of an advantage that I had was remembering her turn ons from the last time. That helped tremendously. Here's where I ran into some resistance. For some reason she, while there was comfort, she wasn't ready. This could have been because she was overworked, stressed, or uninterested. But the conversation was stale and lead to nowhere. At the time I thought that the cold vibe meant it was a dead end. So, I gave up... for a year.
Fast forward a year. I'm remembering all that had happened, and nervously - key word - tried once more. Remember, we hadn't said much to begin with, and nothing for about a year. Now I couldn't tell you what I said. Those texts have long since been deleted. They weren't much, but it lead to us finally meeting. The sex was great. She had a bit of a kinky side to her. Today, years later, were still in contact and having sex every so often.
TAKEAWAYS
• Let good enough be good enough. The planets don't have to be aligned in order to make things like this happen. Work with what you've got, better your best to maximize assets, and execute.
• Persistence is key. Yes, there is such a thing as too much. But so is too little. Sometimes, as I picked up from Todd V, there is no other option. Even if it comes across as somewhat needy. There may be no other way. You can still control the frame after initial investment. Acting and behaving as if there's attraction is far better than the opposite.
• Maintain a willingness to mess up and mess up badly. How else are you going to know the extremes? Two common problems are when guys (specifically) don't escalate out of fear, or try to close on negative compliance. We have to test those boundaries in order to find that balance and how to adapt to the variety of "blueprints" from women.
NOTE: This experience came at a time when I did not have the best pictures available. My knowledge of concepts and principles of game were not what they are today, and even now, there's a lot of work to be done in all areas. Living situation was with family. 5'6", 145 lbs (+/-), on the paler side, and lean but neither overly muscular or shredded, to name a few things. I took what I had at the time and made it work for me as best as possible. So get out of your head and stop standing in your own way.
A girl I met at the club, and have known for some months now sent me a selfie out of the blue. It's mostly a normal selfie. Aside from fitting in her cleavage with a slight duck face.
We had a good vibe or a while. Until she moved into the city and started bar tending. Conversation was mostly initiated by me after her interest started to go down. Why she's messaging me out of nowhere I don't know. Things only fell by the wayside as they sometimes do.
Here's the thing. There are several principles that are conflicting:
Matching someone's energy.
Positive Reinforcement
Push/Pull
Etc.
Here, I'm not sure how to proceed. Responding in an underwhelming manner might not be the right "Push" at this time. Rewarding her doesn't seem right either. So, maybe something neutral such as: "You again? What's up troublemaker." Could be appropriate.
Thoughts?
A girl and I matched on Tinder just today. Solid 8.5, if not a 9. Latina. 6' tall.
She's a lean busty girl who's self-proclaimed to be both "bossy" and particular about the men she's into. Tall, masculine, and white. As for myself, I'm two out of the three. Although being vertically challenged won't stop me with this girl.
It seems from her bare bones bio that she's up for either something romantic or sexual. But with the right person. There's a spark there. But I'm having trouble building it into something more. Here's the conversation thus far...
ME: Saw your thing and thought, "she seems interesting."
HER: Hey
ME: What's up
HER: Not much
ME: You must work out
(she's got great legs)
HER: I do
ME: Smoke or drink.
HER: Both
ME: Really 🤔 How adventurous would you say you are on a scale of 1-10.
(tried a different approach to test the waters for escalation)
HER: 15
ME: Is that so
It's been a few hours since then. Yes, she's probably been on. The good thing is that she's responded, even if it has been only a few words. While I'm not new to text game. You could say I'm still a beginner.
