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The WhatsApp thread is attached. The one before that on tinder was similar, lots of jokes and soft closing attempt on wine date. I don't have that thread anymore as she unmatched me. I felt she was super bratty so I tried to it up and maybe I went too hard. I felt that otherwise she was just making fun of me. Curious if I could have done something better.
This post is about the challenges, hopefully we can come up with ways to address them. The issue is that most of the text game flow from the blue-print and majority of the YouTube breakdowns do not seem to work for this type of girls. Why bother? This is a particular physical type of girl (usually very skinny) which may be of special interest to certain PWF members. Certainly is for me. Since this is the diametrical opposite of Alex's type, it got, understandably, little attention. In a nutshell it seems near impossible to get these girls out on a date where game can be applied for a subsequent close. My experience is with girls in late 20s early 30s, who have been living in London for a number of years so not FOB material, but they seem to act exactly like it. Some girls will have fairly provocative photos so there seems to be a degree of DTF-ness deep down beneath all the layers of objections and insecurities. Patterns observed from 20+ interactions: English tends to be choppy. Need to keep language very simple (Alex mentioned this at some point). This is one reason they don't want to meet actually, because they say they are going to be embarrassed if they cannot engage in the conversation. They seem to create the illusion that somehow they will fall in love over text and the English will just get better by then or not matter at all. Not sure how to challenge or deal with this totally false premise which then also becomes an objection. They start off extremely formal "I think you are a gentleman, maybe you can introduce yourself". To this they literally expect your full name, age, occupation (job title and company), listing of hobbies. Easy to bounce them to WhatsApp or WeChat. In many cases they will even initiate this. Location: Wine date to the house is not even worth trying. I think it's like the Colombia exception that Alex shared. Best option I feel is to get them to a public date. Impossible to sexualize. Even hinting at sex gets you blown out of the set very quickly. Best I feel is to just ignore this until the date. This is of course not optimal and risks more time wasted on dates where you find out it will really take ages to get a close. This is a problem for later at the moment. Meaningless conversations. They follow up multiple times per day to ask what you are doing, have you had lunch (not kidding), what are your plans, etc. None of this moves anything forward and just wastes time. They cannot engage in deeper topics, like the ones where you get to know someone for real (like talking about past relationships) usually because of language issues. Meeting puzzle. They say they will meet once "we are familiar with each other" which is an unmeasurable milestone so there is no cap on how long the texting needs to go on. I tried arguing that they can only become familiar with a person they have met in real life and that until then the person is just an avatar in a chat app. This still didn't work and they insist that they will not meet "strangers". Not sure how to break this down. It may be the case that these girls, no matter how many of them and how much they would fit a desired type are all simply write-offs for online game. Alternatively there may be some text game that can break down their concerns to get them on dates where hopefully some will close after maybe a second date. I would like some thoughts on this. Stuff I considered but have not tried yet: Get them to agree to a video call. Use this as an argument of "we are now familiar" and then go on a public date. Suggest that they can bring a friend to the public date to really address safety. (the friend can be made to leave once some comfort is established) Thanks for reading and please feed back on how you see this topic and the specific issues raised.
Intro New to Mastermind, but been following PWF on YouTube for almost 1 year. The first ever down to earth set of explanations on not only what to do but more importantly why it works and why other approaches are less effective. Became recently single so I bought the blueprint and subscribed for the 1 year Mastermind as a thank you token for the excellent work. Context Had a first go at reworking my profile based on what I learned. Had decent results in Costa Rica where I was traveling but once I got back to London things tanked. I am on Tinder Platinum. I ran one boost per day during the 7pm-9pm peak time for a week. It started off with 30 likes per boost and by the end of the week I only got 6 likes from the boost. I got less than 7 organic likes in the week after stopping the boosts. I swipe on ~200 profiles per day, but my like ratio is at best 1/20. This comes down to my type preference for skinny girls who are just quite rare in London. I get maybe 2/10 matches from the super likes with intro messages attached but half of these are "reluctant matches" I feel where the girl isn't really that excited but saw the note that stood out so she is kind of going along with it. If my text game is great I can move it forward but most often I am not sufficiently well tuned. While my text game for sure needs more improvement I feel the issue is first of all the profile which is not doing me justice. Only a tiny fraction of my regular likes convert into matches despite the Tinder Platinum effect. Most likely my profile does get seen as it moves to the top of the girl's deck but then I get left swiped. This probably then drags my score down moving me into a zone were my profiles is rarely shown organically. Physical range is set to 15km so all of Greater London. Age range is set to 18-40. Profile: https://tinder.com/@tibor_barna You should be able to the see full details and bio in the web view after login by pressing the (i) button on the bottom right of the photos. My age is not listed, I am almost 33. Coaching & Objectives Alignment kick-off to explain my personality and target groups, plus and my real value to plan out what DHVs to focus on. Brutal feedback on each photo and each bio element. Immediate tactical corrections. Review of wide range of existing photos to see if the coach can spot hidden gems. Plan for specific profile photos to be shot. Execution, review, selection. Independent 3rd party "hot girl" ranking and feedback of shortlisted photos. Further iteration on the above until we get to a solid 8/10 rating on the selected photos by the PWF standards explained here The coach needs to organize point 5, as I don't have the hot girl network and the girls who know me are no longer independent. I am cool with any PWF endorsed or recommended coach; they will surely know a hell of a lot more than I do. Happy to pay a fair and competitive hourly rate or a lump sum for the above, whatever works. Happy to pay a PWF brokering fee as well if that helps. My inability to have success with girls is one of my top frustrations in life and I am determined to go all guns blazing at it. I need professional and focused support so I am ready to put the money on the table to create the right incentives. I don't want something for nothing, and I respect coaches time. Thanks again to Alex and PWF and I look forward to how we make this happen.
With things opening back up soon in London, night game is once again an option. I am keen to meet likeminded PWF members based in London who would like to go out on night game in an organized manner with a rotating wingman setup as we approach different sets. Doing group approaches alone is hard (for me) and just going out with friends who don't know good gaming principles is not helpful. Anyone interested in discussing this please comment or message me. I am generally into super skinny girls so someone who likes T&A would be a good fit so we can naturally split any group we approach.