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Dating App Girl

I am on an online dating app. This girl opened me. To be quite honest, she is not very attractive...with makeup she's decent looking. Without makeup she looks like a dike. However, I feel like if I was horny enough it would work. She seemed more into me than I was into her. I got her to add me on Instagram, sent a couple of messages. She seemed to be receptive to a meetup. I didn't push a highly sexual angle. I said, "Wow, you are cute." She was excited by this and complimented me back. After a very brief conversation, I said I might be free one night during the week. She was receptive to the idea. The day before, I said I don't think I'll be able to hang out as I am extremely busy with work (this was not a lie). She said ok. One or two days passed and I didn't message her (busy and my low-interest level). I then asked if we could make plans for the coming week. She messaged me back saying that now she has a boyfriend. This kind of sets off a BS meter for me. I doubt that she could get a boyfriend that quickly, but then again life is easy mode for women even those with below-average looks. I simply said, "Oh really, already??" Is there any chance she wants me to chase her and is using "boyfriend" as a shit test? This was a few weeks back. What could I say to reopen the conversation? She probably wants validation (insecure about her looks), and my lack of effort might have tipped her off that I wasn't that attracted.

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Cold Approach

Restaurant Girl

There is a restaurant that my family gets take out from on a regular basis. I have been going there more often lately, and I noticed this new girl working there. There are several good-looking girls there; in fact, I would love to date any of them. This girl in particular seems to be a waitress but also a few times she welcomed me when I walked in. She said, "Welcome to [restaurant name]"; I said, "I'm picking up." She then gestured me over to the area by the cash register. The next time I went, she said the same thing, and I averted my eyes this time and kept walking. I felt extra shy that time. The difficulty of the logistics is that it is a very crowded restaurant around dinnertime, when I show up there. Even if it wasn't busy, I'd be nervous. Another thing is that the owner/manager is working alongside the staff and would probably frown on any non-business interactions. The amount of time it would take to warm her up and make her comfortable with me doesn't seem possible. Is my best bet doing a sit-down meal at a non-busy time of day? If so, how would I make her comfortable to give me her number? If I'm rejected for any reason, would I have a chance with the other girls?

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Mystery & Beckster Podcast

I watched the first half of Alex's podcast with Mystery and Beckster. As someone who has not read the book "The Game," I have, however, heard it mentioned often in the pickup community. Alex has often mentioned Mystery as one of his inspirations. Mystery was talking about the 4-hour rule and 10-hour rule. To recap, the 4-hour rule is the minimum time to build comfort with the girl, according to Mystery. Rushing the comfort-building process, Mystery claims you will likely encounter LMR or if she does sleep with you, she might regret it and this would jeopardize your chance of another meetup. The 10-hour rule is basically if you don't sleep with her after 10 hours, you'll probably be stuck in the friend zone. As today we use a lot of social media (Instagram, dating apps), how do you all think these rules stand up in the modern dating market? How do long-distance relationships factor in to this rule?

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Cute Smoker

There is some kind of doctor's office adjacent to where I work. As I am leaving my job (flexible hours), I generally leave on the late side and it's dark outside. As I pull out of my parking spot, I've been noticing an attractive female nurse/dental assistant/etc. smoking a cigarette on a regular basis. I didn't think doctor's offices were open that late (??) I gather that she's taking a smoke break and then has to return to work. Keep in mind she is standing a bit of a ways down, but not that far from the entrance to my workplace. Which, if any, is the right approach? I have very little experience, but I am motivated to shoot my shot in this case. -Walking up and asking for a light (I don't smoke but perhaps an icebreaker) -Walking up, are you single? -Driving by and saying something out the window -Go into her building hoping to bump into her - ask for directions (LMAO) -Too risky since it's a few doors down from work

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Hotel party

I attended a hotel party that was organized by an acquaintance named Owen. The ratio of females to males was about 50/50, which is terrific so I will likely attend events by him in the future. He invites a lot of the same people to the parties, of course, some people can't make it and some new people come in. I was able to get some names and numbers, but could not achieve more than a few consensual ass grabs. I will mention one girl (Jacynda) that was a tricky situation. Before I get into the details, it is probably relevant to note that Jacynda is white but she was introduced to this party scene by a 6' 4" black guy. I did not know this until later on. We first met in the lobby when I saw her dancing very sexy with another girl and a white guy who was clearly interested. She seemed kind of bored with him so I talked to her briefly and complimented her dancing. During the daytime, we hung out in a 3 on 3 group with 2 guys I just met and 2 of her female friends. We were in the hotel swimming pool for 2 hours and I talked to Jacynda off and on and got her to laugh. Eye contact started to improve. Didn't go for the physical contact because I didn't have context for it. I decided my best bet would be for us all to get dinner together as a group of six. I focused my efforts on her because I mostly cared about getting her to come and friends seemed like would either come along or let her go with us (no cockblock anticipated). Well...curveball...she barely knew these 2 female friends. She had just met them hours before. That's why they weren't cockblocking. It turns out while she was telling me she "didn't know her dinner plans," she was soon to get that invite from the aforementioned extremely handsome black gentleman. Text exchange occurred after we left and Jacynda thought I was funny and said the black guy was cool and chill when I texted her about her being with him. I saw her go up to his room one night in addition to getting dinner with him so she is sort of downplaying her involvement with him. She is, however, single so it seems like a cock carousel situation for her. I will probably see her again in the summer. Is there anything further I could text her? Is this a lost cause as a short white guy? Keep in mind I got numbers from other girls who were far more compliant, but where I genuinely failed to close that night. So I am definitely not putting all my eggs in her basket.

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Strange profile

I came across this bio on a dating app. Kind of strange: Been hea before. Not looking to meet up or for any relationships. Really, not looking for anything from anyone. I'm terrible at replying back to people and rather talk on the feed. I'm pretty introverted and shy IRL. Just use this place like Facebook. Also, like to post occasional pics of me. Openers often are based on the girl's photos, but she just has a couple of body shots (quite good) and food pictures. What would you suggest for an opener?

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TikTok SJW Debate

Oh my God, this guy Zach R. is so full of shit. It seems like he hates the idea of men actually being successful with women. Why does he like a broken record keep repeating the word "boundary"? We're talking about messaging on a dating app. There is no easier place for a woman to put up boundaries. She can unmatch or block, which an attractive woman probably does every day. What is his profession? How could this clown ever pass a job interview? Employer says, "Well, we would be more comfortable with a candidate with more experience." That is your cue to explain why you are a good fit despite that or reframe their understanding of your experience. Judging by this guy, you'd have to walk out of the interview. I couldn't get past the first half hour, but this SJW guy is literally cancer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TFSHgOK2Xs

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Girls from out of state

I know it's better logistics to talk to girls that live as close by as possible. But I have found some conversations go well when you can ask questions about each person's area, versus both of you being from the same neighborhood. The unfamiliar or unknown can be more enticing for both parties. This comes up in Alex's videos when he talks to girls visiting Miami from other countries. I remember one time my friends and I ran into this group of 3 girls (and a guy) visiting from out of state. The conversation went really well. Obviously, that's the best situation where they are already on vacation in your town. But let's say you're talking online: What are some ways to get her to visit you? Under what conditions would you travel to her? Should you plan some kind of group event?

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Friend of a friend game?

I was thinking about social circle a little bit. While I have made some newer friends, I recalled this female friend (let's call her T) I used to talk to in high school (10 years ago). I liked her and I'm pretty sure she liked me, but we were both shy (especially me) and nothing ever happened. At the end of senior year, we were at a school-sponsored social event. We were sitting together, talking, and I put my hand on her back (she was somewhat receptive). I heard she was going to an after party with some friends including two other attractive girls. I asked if I could come and she said no, it was just going to be girls there. We haven't stayed in touch, unfortunately, but T and I are Facebook friends. To describe these three girls, they were a bit artsy, slackers, not popular, bisexual. T has moved away in the years since high school, but the other two still live close to my area. I looked up both of the friends on Facebook. One of them has her relationship status as single; the other doesn't have a status but no boyfriend/girlfriend in her photos. I was wondering what the best way to go about this would be. My instinct is to message my friend T and chat a little bit before asking her to introduce me to one (or both haha) of her friends. Any ideas?

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Night Life Scenarios

I had a recent night out at the bars with a group of four friends (plus myself). My friends are mostly taller and better looking. I didn't approach any, but there were many attractive girls. It seemed like more than I had seen in the past. So I'd like to mention three scenarios and get your reactions. Two very attractive girls were sitting together for a while. A little later, a (not attractive) guy started talking to them and sat down there, and then a second guy did almost the same thing. It's hard to tell if that was a planned double date or a cold approach by those men. Tell me if this is a good line to have used: "Hey, are you waiting for anyone?" If they say yes, try to gain interest and go for the phone number. If no, sit down with them. Many women are out with groups of male and female friends. It is hard to tell if they are couples or friends basically. There was one girl who was 100% my type, but she was literally surrounded by guys. I'm not joking when she sat down, there were three guys standing up to her side facing her and one guy hovering behind her! There were a bunch of other people sitting at the table as well. Besides talking to her by the bathrooms (she didn't leave to go), is there any way to approach a girl like this? Maybe I could talk to one of the guys first? Could I try joining their group? I was sitting at a small bar talking to the bartender about the choice of drinks. My friends had been talking loud about how I needed to get laid tonight. This attractive Australian girl sits down next to me. They suddenly quieted down, probably looking at me and her. Almost right away, she put her arm around my upper back and had super open verbal and nonverbal cues. I didn't do anything to prompt this as far as I know. I could tell by her accent that she wasn't American, and she said she was from Australia. She was with two gay guys. I was stupid enough not to escalate. She said bye and left after 5 minutes. Thinking back, I would ask, "So where are you staying?" or ask for her phone number. Is this girl's chatting me up an example of social proof or a woman who simply had a few drinks? Hopefully you'll find this interesting and I'd like to hear any advice on this. Thanks in advance.

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