Her response seems more like a shit test than an objection or concern. It reeks of frame control too. I know many guys will say "what do you think she's saying" and I get she's implying I have to impress her. With shit tests, Alex says "do not react" - but that's VERY unclear how to do over text (it's very easy to do in person). What response here is unreactive? An agree-and-amplify text might go something like "I should add a pic of" (something not seen), taking her extremely literal as if poking fun at what she's saying, but that still feels a bit reactive to me.
Hinge Conversation:
Me: Hey trouble
Her: hey
Me: Can I tell you something?
Her: yeah
Her: Yeah
Me: You may be my type
Her: hmm and whether you're my type remains to be seen.
In the past, if a girl flaked on a date, I assumed it was over. I had tested trying again a few times and never heard from the girl and so my theory was if the girl was willing to flake, it's not worth it.
In watching Alex's videos, he said one of his favorite texts to girls who flake is the "flaking type" text (review his videos for examples). That feels a little butthurt to me, but I've tested it twice on girls who flaked and didn't hear back from one girl. I'm willing to test things I've never tried.
I'm curious if there's any nuance to sending this type of text - for instance, I send a confirmation text the day of the date (1 text confirming only) and she doesn't respond. If she no shows, is there a period to wait in terms of hours or days when sending the "flaking type" text? It feels off to send two or three days later, more appropriate to send after a few hours, but it feels even more inappropriate to act as if nothing happened and text her again a week later (avoiding the elephant in the room).
QUESTION: If she doesn't even respond to the confirmation text, is this "flaking type" text even worth sending?
Update she later texted:
Hey sorry, I went out last night and left my phone in my friends car when she dropped me off last night. It's been dead all day.
Other than "ok" is there a better response here?
In part three of chapter 8, you mention this about your bio: "She tells me she is a big fan of anticipation ... and I respond a bit with a little sexting".
What part of your bio involved anticipation at the time (or currently)?
What other forms of anticipation have you found to get attention from girls?
I recently opened a girl where we covered the following during the open:
She invested in the interaction
She complied and only after this I rewarded her with setting plans while we were talking
She told me her schedule (she's free evenings)
We texted each other our names. To me, it would be dumb to do anything that reverts our interaction (ie: qualify her again, ask about availability when I already know this, etc). From here, I was planning to just get where she lives and proceed to set the date. There was no pushback in the interaction, but we both live in a big city, so picking a spot is good.
Me: What area of PLACE are you in?
I am completely out of other ideas for texting given she was very agreeable and seemed interested. However, this comes off as only logistics, so what else could I do here to build some comfort? Reminder: I am completely new to texting (outside of logistics only) and have watched Alex's videos on texting cold opens many times, however, these aren't helpful because they're WAY TOO contextual and they don't apply to my opens.
I cold opened a girl the other day and we discussed meeting up in the week (I missed getting a good day she was free). In our text exchange though, she was showing little signs of interest, but I did get her to bite on bait at one point. My final text was probably a mistake, so I'm looking for feedback on where I could have done better. Thanks.
Her: Hey this is Ashley!
Me: Hi Ashley. (Callback reference). What's a good day for you this week?
Her: Lol maybe Wednesday or Thursday
Me: Ok. As for the basics.. tatts, babies, insane exes?
(No response in a day)
Me: Not a trick question. (I sent this after a day because waiting three days felt a little out of context, but maybe waiting longer on this is better. Not sure)
Her: A lot of tattoos, no babies or exes
Me: That can only mean 1 thing
Her: What?
Me: You sure you wanna know? It's a bit MA rated
Her: Go ahead
Me: (Text about her wanting a dominant man who leads. One sexting sentence. One obsession line.) And that's just the beginning.
Her: Interesting but no that's not it lol
Me: You'll have to get to that level for me
The baiting worked and got her to respond very fast (she wasn't before), but her pushback on "but no that's not it" did throw me a bit. I didn't want to buy into her frame or push toward a date if she's pushing back. Instead I challenged her. That's probably a mistake, so looking for what would be a better response in the future or a better direction earlier in the interaction.
Had to update the format - brackets make links lol
Alex, in one of your videos (I think the interview with Austen), you mentioned that you could tell a girl was interested when you did a cold open within a few seconds. What are those signs of interest that you mention where you're able to tell within seconds?
I already know about neediness versus persistence and not overtexting a girl on the same day or same two day period, especially if a girl is being unresponsive. For me, if a girl doesn't respond to an open, I'll wait 3 days before re-opening (if I do at all; in the past, I would avoid re-opening girls by text if they never responded to my 1rst text because it's such low effort/a sign of disinterest on their part).
However since I am using this new PwF system, what are appropriate re-opens when a girl doesn't respond to a 1rst text after an in-person meeting and phone number exchange? For instance, I opened 3 girls by text this week that I met in person with the Ryan meme (no interaction had good reference jokes to make). 0 of the 3 responded. So questions from this:
I'll wait 3 days before sending another re-opening text, but what are good re-opening texts to send when a girl doesn't respond?
If the girls don't respond again, do I tease them about being quiet or wait another 3 days, then try a re-open?
At what point do I tease/call out the girls for not responding? The 3rd opening text that the girl doesn't respond to? The 4th? 5th? At some point there's an elephant in the room not being called out.
I met this girl in a cold open - she was very receptive and very willing to provide her number. Her schedule is terrible and she just got a 2nd job, so it's going to be hard to get her out. One key thing I've learned in reviewing the lessons is that you have to get the girl to invest in the conversation. I do not know how to do this. Using this conversation, what are ways I can get her to invest. She barely responds (maybe lack of interest or could be working 2 jobs) and my baiting test ("I know what you're ready for") seems to not engage. What are other things I can test?
(MONDAY)
Her: Hey it's Ashley
Me: You're shy at first but when you feel connected you open
Her: That's definitely me 😆
Me: Yes.. what's your schedule like this week?
Her: I have a Zoom job interview in two days but that's about it
Her: Hopefully starting my 2nd job this week
Me: Feeling spontaneous?
Her: Depends on your definition of spontaneous
Me: You, me, laughing, and a nostalgic view
Her: Ohhh I love the sound of that
Me: Cool, let's meet at the view at 10p
Her: I work nights and my shift starts at 10
Me: Life is hard
Her: It can be
(THURSDAY)
Me: It's Thursday
Her: Hey sir happy Thursday
Me: Get the job?
Her: Find out today
Me: You should have told them you were a inside joke
Her: I GOT THE JOB
Me: We should celebrate when I return
Her: Most definitely should
(MONDAY)
Me: I know what you're ready for
I am completely new to text game (kindergarten level). I do in person opens, not online anything, so a lot of what you'll see from me is probably major newbie mistakes with text game. I've been using a direct game system and have gotten phone numbers (quite a few), but no dates from these. It seems they're all dropping off in the text part of all this. The person behind the system claims text game doesn't matter and most guys actually ruin their chances with girls by overtexting instead of sticking to logistics, but I haven't seen that be true at all (most of my initial texts were just "Hey Ashley, let's meet at place" with no results). So I thought I would test PwF to see if I could improve my results. Below I've posted some brief text exchanges with girls I opened using direct game in the past week and a half - they knew I was interested in them and they were all very receptive and happy to give me their number. We also talked for a bit, so none of these girls were looking to get away fast and all were down to meet when we talked. Also, I made plans with all of them in person except the day or time. I walked them through what we'd do together. For protecting their identity, I call them all Ashley and a number based on order.
Ashley1
Her: Hi there. there is Ashley1. And yup, I just got done shopping lol
Me: That's you. Just finished bjj. What do you do for fun
=> One and a half days later
Her: I coach my cousin's basketball team and we go altitude climbing all the time. We just go have fun. Paintball rock climbing and hanging with my dog
Her: What about you?
Me: You had to think about that for a while
Ashley2
Her: Hi you this is Ashley2
Me: There is an upside to randomly meeting someone
Her: Whats the upside?
Me: I'll give you a hint: big word, starts with s
Ashley3
Her: Hey it's Ashley3
Me: You're shy at first but when you feel connected you open
Her: That's definitely me [Laughing Emoji]
Me: Yes.. what's your schedule like this week?
Her: I have a Zoom job interview in two days but that's about it
Her: Hopefully starting my 2nd job this week
Me: Feeling spontaneous?
Her: Depends on your definition of spontaneous
Me: You, me, laughing, and a nostalgic view
Her: Ohhh I love the sound of that
Me: Cool, let's meet at the view at 10p
Her: I work nights and my shift starts at 10
Me: Life is hard
