Yo,
pics here - https://photos.app.goo.gl/qVBNCZnqBGnTQMw79
have really had it hammered home just how important pics are. One comment I read or heard somewhere was someone talking about how easy texting is when you have a profile top 1% pics, straight to meetup etc
made me realise that despite learning heaps about text game, the real low hanging fruit is pics.
So I have decied to go full try hard, got my bro who has DSLR and understands shading and shit to help me, went hard and got a couple hundred pics just hoping to choose the best 2.
2 outfits, so just need 2 best, and ideally one is the best primary pic - should be my old ones are trash.
Will continue to go for just 1 or 2 good pics at a time, think thats the key.
Can upload here but have a few, might be easier to view in this album but let me know if i need to upload
just matched with this girl today, waited till evening to message and she replied instantly.
I waited 10 mins and hit back "with a capital T, well at least a little I hope"
shje instantly liked my message but hasnt responded. My initial instict was to follow up with something like
"i like your profile, you give off mad creative girl vibes"
but from what I've read / learned here I suspect I need to wait, and not giving her time to respond - despite the liked message - would signal neediness?
I went into the night with momentum firmly on my mind. Having boomed the night previous I was feeling a bit cocky / happy go lucky.
My mate and I went to a pub crawl from meetup com and I also invited one beginner type gamer I met at a previous one. Those events have a vague stigma, as generally the ratio is bad and the guys generally have low social awareness or experience.
I always try break away to chat up other non meetup people, and it really affects the girls in the meetup you've had good interactions with. They observe you not only demonstrating preselection but you are also set apart from your 'peers' at the meetup, separate to just every other dude in the venue.
One minor concern is lately I been going a bit overboard and getting lost in the moment talking about game with girls for too long or too deep. Kinda embrace the unashamed playboy vibe which is always well received but gotta remember to be normal mostly.
Our pub crawl meetup lot had diverged to me and my mates, met another young cunt gamer who is actually pretty legit - otherwise the other guys were orbitals and 2 sets of girls. I'd gamed both sets hard and was getting some strong eye contact from the irish bird who i number closed later.
But next table over were these 2 young honeys, when we first sat down in passing I told them to join us, they laughed and coyly refused. After sarging up the hottest blondie for ages and just having a good time I popped back to them had a chat - turns out they were 18 lols and the hot spare told me she was looking for a sugar daddy.
Made them guess my age they acted surprised or were, no anxiety from me on that front seem to be over that sticking point completely. Had a fun little chat but also was fully just putting on a show for the other girls that I had planted the seed of bouncing to next venue with us. Dunno how I would have gamed the young one further, obvs closer more kino and more challenging I guess. Get her to qualify more.
One group of girls peeled off and we did as a group goto our next pub, it was full but I chat to the bouncer just respectful and explained I talked up the bar to all these honeys what do we have to do to get in and he gave us a little special treatment, def gained some status from that I think.
Inside I kinda realised I needed to show intent to one of the girls and clearly choose her, so went with Irish who I think my buddy was keen on soz brah but she was eye fucking me hard that was just how it was gunna go. Got her number in front of her friends, she put in 'sexy bitch' as her last name. After that we all kinda hung as a group and I think I lost momentum. Kinda had her on her own and kino'd a bit but lots of intergroup chatting. Realised I had to isolate so I grabbed her and said I'd give her a tour, sadly the side venue door which adjoins them was locked so we couldn't, went back to group and it felt like it was petering out, even though she was actively trying me to stand near her.
In the end I left when I realised I was fucked, not sure if I coulda ballsed it up and got her back but didn't try. Thought I'd go for next day text game, but already texted her 10 in the morning, too early and keen I think. She probably thinking some incongruence with my initial dominant behaviour to slipping into chodish a bit. Maybe overthinking it.
In between I talked to the young good gamer G and asked his read, he told me I was right and had to let her feel some loss, don't be too available and compete with the chodes so I peeled off. And he was for sure right, he also had switched up to my blondie which I overgamed and seemed to be going well, I told him my read on his and how to proceed and he went for it - will have to find out how he went.
When I peeled off I had this young honey in a smoking tight black dress give me some eyes walking past, I grabbed her, hey love hows it going. Music too loud so couldn't verbal too much but tried with strong eye contact, she starts like sexy dancing for me and I was thinking fucking eh. Her friend is close and keeping an eye on her. I try a little kino and talk some dumb shit but felt like i lost my mojo.
She was def. keen but I didn't know what to do in the moment, was like am I supposed to go caveman here? Reflecting on it today I think how I know would have been optimal, I should have let her sexy dance for me and sit back take up space and eye fuck her hard. Then occasionally get up take her hands, maybe whisper in her ear subtle tone shit like your dress fits you so well, then sit back down let her keep performing for me. Anyway, thats the way it goes sometimes.
Eventually went back to Irish and the orbitals, tension felt pretty gone and I actually knocked my own drink over on myself haha. Fully embraced it and laughed it off she seemed fine but it was just at the time I told her I was leaving. She said she was also, with her guy housemate friend, not a competitor. Said we should go for food she said no carbs ugg, but we left together outside and I kinda just lost them didnt want to follow around like a lost dog and just texted her in teh cab good to meet you, you're fun so she had my number. She text back maybe 15 later good to meet you also kissy emoji.
Not a bad night, slightly disappointing it felt like I peaked after so much momentum and petered out. No biggie. Thinking about the number close with a good connection and no kiss to pursue in the next day of two as a superior model to ONS. Obviously ONS is pretty exhilarating but it is easy for either or both to get buyers remorse or some shame, think number first and follow up is a nice experience and narrative, particularly for her and the little story she tells herself about you as a duo.
Will def. try that more in teh future, have a strong interaction, get number early, leave on a high and pursue in a day or two for straight to house or straight to local bar just the 2 of you. Could potentially get a few leads in the one night, using your momentum each new set and they maybe even observed you going off. Also been thinking about patience, learning how important it is from online game, makes me think IRL probably subcommunicates a lot of status and value if you can demonstrate patience. Like respecting yourself that you take time to choose before you give her the bone type frame, imply she needs more investment as you have standards, also that you are not desperate for sex you already have abundance.
Mostly thinking about black dress and how I let that slip, need to improve my caveman primal game there for sure. Seduction tone and whispering with slowly escalating kino and maybe even tease her with the almost kiss and tell her she has to wait; that's for the cab ride home or some such.
Yo,
just wanted to check no big red flags in my bio, like bumble for those prompts lets you create a nice fantasy. Had some birds qualify themselves over shit I've written so assume its ok.
Last week I was out and I sarged up these young german girls, 18-22. Mostly just having fun and my new fav thing to do is to go over their tinder profiles and talk shit about online dating and the dynamics of it, also pick their brains a bit.
Anyway the bouncer was eavesdropping and while initially adversarial he warmed to me fast and was qualifying, he was the first to show his profile, then them and lastly me. I intentionally didn't offer and made them ask hehe.
I made a comment to them that hot girls are lazy and don't write anything. The little hottie I liked said a comment that for both me and the bouncer dude too much writing. I was like interesting, tell me why, is it too tryhard? She said yes, exactly, too much text makes it seem like a guy is trying too hard.
Got me thinking, my theory is 30+ girls want more investment, young honeys just looking for fun might respond more to the low investment fuckboi type who doesnt bother writing as much / seems mysterious or signals abundance. Any thoughts on that?
If so, I was looking through my canned lines and thought of something along these lines - let me know if any stand out as good and dominant or just silly
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In the twilight is the best time for lies.
Just swipe right and I'll do the rest.
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all we need is an understanding, all you need is a man
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I would slap you if I didn't think it would lead to a kiss
sup all,
just for some context, my IRL game is so much better than my online game. I'm really starting to internalize that I've had some oldschool chode beliefs holding me back, too gamey, think you gotta take a girl out to dinner or a bar etc.
Since following I've improved a lot and had a few good dates but last night was the first successful and normal straight over to my house close. It was a great night and a great learning experience.
This is my field report, will post my online chats but also the milestones and process for teh night. Obviously I don't feel entitled to any feedback but if you are willing to give some I'd like to know specifically around the online process
principles - insight to where I followed principles or missed them
any mistakes - particularly around misreading the situation, sexualised when I should have used a takeaway for example
any general advice
BUMBLE / ONLINE
One thing that was interesting for me was that at no point was the online chat overtly sexual, I put out some innuendo feelers but she would laugh and kinda go back to vibing - I took this as she was looking for more comfort and wanted to confirm I was a normal dude? I asked her about this in person and she confirmed if a dude sends her a creepy first message she is out.
One funny part for me was she fucked up and was obviously sending her mate a screenshot of our convo but sent it to me by mistake. This was just after the hard close. What cracked me up though was after my name in her contacts she had an eggplant emoji haha.
Another point I wanted to discuss / thought about was she asked if there was anything she could bring. Since I have been thinking abstractly about the concept of investment, my oldschool chode belief was to be like OH NO BABY I GOT DIS IM DA MAN IM RICH AND SUCCESSFUL LOL. But instead said yeah if you like, knowing if she did bring something it would increase her investment, which in turn would raise my value and lower any chance of buyers remorse.
I know I'm still too fluffy, maybe need to drop the missy shit and X's ? I am pretty calm assertive in person so emotionally feel like I can get away with it, but maybe it is still sending some submissive / deferential signals, not sure.
IN PERSON
It all went pretty smoothly, dog was a nice icebreaker and she looked like her pics. I was just being normal and a bit charming, invited her in and let her settle her bag etc and got us some drinks.
A bit of joking and light flirting we moved to the balcony. I realise how superior the invite to home process is, as you can take your time with the kino escalation ladder. I was low key but made sure I touched her arm and pointed her body to the direction of hte balcony when saying lets go here etc.
Initial convo / glass of wine we chatted and her body was faced directly to me, good sign. I had good eye contact and let talk a bit, building rapport mostly laughing with some teasing. Occasional touch of knees but nothing much.
I thought of it a bit in terms of bouncing around the house. First bounce was to the kitchen, ok lets sort these snacks out - good excuse for some more touching, but not sexual more, move here, go there type vibe then back to the balcony.
After a while I asked her if she wanted a quick tour of the house, this is the dogs room (spare room) , blah blah just more excuses to lead around and get some more kino in. After we sit down again and next bounce is to the living room, cant recall the pretense or if I even used one.
She sits pretty close on the couch to me and I start brushing her leg more, stronger eye contact. We go through music together, after she went to the bathoom I turned off the main light which I felt at teh time was smooth haha, still can see each other fine just way less intense. Also now think it was natural and smoothly timed progression of the interaction.
Another pretense was show her to my office to look at my music on hard disk, so she could judge my tastes etc, just more flirting and touching. Another bounce to the balcony later to show her my scooter and here I led her hand on back and when there hands on hips get closer. No resistance and maybe some excitement.
On the couch I intentionally saved bringing up the screenshot social faux par from her to just before seduction. She was embarrassed and told me the story, I then asked her also one more question. She gets embarrassed and says she knows what I'm going to ask, I bring up whats the significance of teh eggplant emoji next to my name hehe, fun stuff.
Anyway, we get progressively closer then kiss and the rest is history.
I meant to ask her more about the bumble interaction and for some feedback but kinda forgot, but will probably see her again.
Overall though, was stoked with the whole process and have def. changed my beliefs regarding online game.
Going out tonight with the boys and will be coming in hot with some good momentum.
Hi all,
ok I know my photos suck but have been trying. I got a mate to take heaps of photos for me and am getting into the habit of anytime I'm in a good outfit to try for a good pic.
It amazes me that you can take like 100 pics and sometimes not even get 1 usuable LOL
anyway, happy with 1 pic, my opening one but won't be surprised if you homeys say the rest are shit, but if any are close or usuable or any feedback its much appreciated
sup g's,
I know I am still too gamey a bit but have been improving a lot, got 2 dates so far since retrying tinder that panned out but still know I have a lot of room for improvement.
This is a young girl I think is quite sexy and think it could be go, just wanted to check where to from here.
asked her what she is looking for, all messages same day and her reply a few days later ; honestly just a bit of fun
seems like a good sign to me, was thinking:
Nice, much teh same for me. You like wine missy
whats the go with solo dog pics? I was sure it was a no go vaguely remember reading it as some feedback of a profile but could be wrong, but in one video big Alex had a profile with his dog by itself. Is there some consensus if you should or shouldnt do it?
sup sup,
this one feels like its fizzling a bit, or a bit boring. TBH im not super keen on this girl but enjoying the practice and would at least meet her for a drink to see what she is like, should it ever come to that.
Am I making any big schoolboy errors here and whats the goal moving forward?
cheers
yo,
feel like this one going ok, she quite responsive.
last message I feel like I prob need to change the subject, but is she looking for more comfort or attraction?
cheers
