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27M - 6'0" - Middle Eastern (Armenian)
I've noticed every girl I date has some major issue. Either on the rebound, has kids, addict of some sort. Even then, the ones I do end up liking leave me in a short few months, the ones I don't are still around to this day (that's how it is, isn't it?). Now these girls are 6-7s, not pretty, not ugly pretty much and have major life issues. And honestly, starting to think I just get lucky by running the numbers game and end up being in the right place at the right time with the right text message. And I do tend to make friends with a hella lot more difficulty (could it just be an ethnicity thing?) Could it have something to do with my looks being below average that makes things a bit difficult, specifically my nose? Took a bunch of photos, some of them smiling, some of them mirror-imaged for reference. Give me your rating and any advice is much appreciated.
Wishing you guys well on your paths to self-improvement and discovery
Edit: Images are flipped on here for some reason.. no idea how to fix, my apologies
Nah dude, you definitely do not need to get a rhinoplasty
I appreciate it brother. I do realize I don't necessarily "need" it, but if it will make me look better, why not? Got the money for it. That's what I'm curious about, if it will make a difference, or actually look the same or worse. Also looked into eye color changing called Stroma (non-surgical, just takes off pigments from the iris via light, seems safe) make my eye color lighter, and changing my name into a more subjectively decent name, like Michael or something (just not Chad for the love of god haha). People until this day can't pronounce my name properly Vartan, and have trouble remembering it. I think this would help me with the ladies, as well as in my business, as it would help establish rapport rather than me always coming off as someone with an ulterior motive and not trusted
Instead of doing that, try TRT and HGH. That’s a much better use of your money
Your face is fine, focus on maximizing other aspects of your SMV
You got a nice smile you gotta use that to your advantage
As for surgery I believe fashion clothes will go a much longer way and cheaper too than being under the knife. Welcome to the community!
Thanks! Glad to me on board. Honestly I think I look weird when I smile, my face becomes more bent. And I realized I look totally different when the image is mirrored (symmetry to blame?) I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford going under the knife, I think of it as a permanent 1-2 point boost. Just wanted to know if it looks like it would make a major difference. I do plan on getting a new fashion wardrobe as well as working out, ect. The better looking a guy is, the easier things are that's an unfortunate fact, I'm looking to try to maximize my appearance
I totally understand where you are coming from as girls get boob jobs, lashes, lips ect ect.
I will say this, you can try all the other things like fitness fashion maybe improv classes ect . But all those things are reversible is going under the knife is a permanent change.
I mean think of it this way if you did all the changes and left the knife for last but somehow you got the results you we're looking for, would you still go under the knife?
you want a blackpill diagnosis? i’ll give you a hint, your problem is not your nose.
your nose isn’t the problem. would a nose job help? yes but minimally. you just don’t have hunter eyes and there’s no surgery to fix that that i know if. but you’re getting girls anyway. they’re just low quality. that’s not your looks. you need to fix whatever it is that is attracting losers.
Well that's the problem, the "losers" lack confidence, which makes them lose a few points. Once their confidence goes up (after other guys flirt with them a bit here and there) they go up in points, and they value me less, then end up leaving. Charm and charisma only goes so far when the girl doesn't value it anymore, and it's quite daunting keep up the energy levels when you get put down often. As for the rhinoplasty, even going up a point or so would make a significant difference. I'm a firm believer of the red pill, and I just heard of the black pill after you mention it. Both make perfect sense. Black pill exaggerates looks, while red pill understates it. It's all just a pointing system really, it's not all black and white. I've even had 10s (extremely rare) hit on me under the right conditioning (they're horny, social proof, great female to male ratio, ect). I won't do anything extreme that affects my health long term, but looks are king when it comes to attraction, personality and "game" are a small part which come second. Having strong frame and game will boost you a point or 2, but if you're considered a 3-4, that's only like 5-6. And how long can you exactly keep it up? It's tiresome being confident and witty all the time, you get shit tested more often. If I'm going to put that much work on attracting a girl, I would want to earn a 9-10, not get sloppy seconds from a 6. Basically "game" is faking confidence, and faking anything takes a lot of mental energy, especially when self-absorption is misinterpreted as arrogance, and kindness is misinterpreted as weakness.. but when you have the looks, self-absorption is seen as confident, and kindness is seen as being humble. It's all bullshit really. Rhino is pretty safe-ish.. I've also looked into changing the color of my eyes using a laser procedure. Seem's pretty safe from the research I've been doing. This is not only to "get girls", but it's also to succeed in life. I don't want to work 10x as hard just to make the same amount a facially aesthetically pleasing man makes, so I'll be damned if I won't do anything about it, just as long as it's within reason and not extreme. Confidence is key to attraction, but confidence is achieved from success, not constant failure. I've always been a strong believer of non-conformity, but when you're experiencing social anxiety and minimal love life, there's only so much you can take. We are social creatures, we are hardwired for validation whether we admit it or not. There will always be someone whose better looking or better at something than what you do, but I'll be damned if I use that as an excuse to keep my self-improvement stagnated. I just really want to know if a nose job would improve my face or not. I've also looked into changing eye colors (non-surgical, deemed relatively safe, called Stroma), and change my middle eastern name into a white name like Michael or something. I've done some research on it, interestingly enough, turns out our name is also a factor. I think that would also add a point or so. So after all this, combined with working out, I count 2-3 extra points just looks alone, which will naturally make my "game" a lot easier, and help me establish rapport easier with my potential clients. Better love life, better financial success, happier. Again, I love my name, I love my looks, but my social life is lacking which I attribute to my ethnicity and looks. Sorry for the essay, I like to be thorough. Thoughts?
Sure, I'm always open to constructive criticism. Elaborate?
Girls love men. You're a man. Good luck brother.
Photoshop yourself then get the girl you’re meeting a drink. Way cheaper and more effective
Interesting suggestion. Every date I've had from online I ended up closing, they just don't stick around for long when an ex or some other handsome stud comes into play. I don't want to be an option, and I think photo-shopping will mess with the odds and I don't really have the time to go on many dates that are timewasting. I prefer to be able to pick up girls by being real, and not be an option
To be honest you’re better looking than my wingman who gets girls regularly. He does Daygame only tho.
I wouldn’t do any medical procedure that carries such a large risk for something as small as a crooked nose (which I can’t even see by the way). Even Alex has bad asymmetry and just vets his pictures so girls can see it.
So if I were you I’d just find a photographer who can take attention away from that area, apply a subtle filter and even edit the pics in such a way to flatter you.
You’re 10x better looking than me
