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First, thanks to all who is sharing their experiences, definitely helps to increase learning rate.
A common issue for me: opening direct, good reaction first, after a few minutes, she shows that she wants to leave. (Probably too early too much validation or too platonic) I still push the conv, still get the phone number. Q1:how not to get into this state in conv? Q2: what to do with these numbers? I tried texting my name only, or 'name ;)', send meme and some joke (felt like too much investment), super flat friendly text. None seems to be working. There is one similar number at the moment I got on Sunday. Debating what to do!
if it was a solid cold approach (i.e. the chick is legitimately attracted) than you should have minimum 50% (but typically much higher) response rate to just sending your name .
I think the issue is not your text game but the approach itself, based on the fact that you are not getting responses to your first text and that all the girls have to leave after few minutes. Now to be fair, some girls will legitimately be in a rush during the day and some girls will ghost no matter how good your game is. However, it shouldn't been happening the majority of the time .
First, are you maximizing your SMV when you go out? Make sure that you are dressed well and that your haircut and facial hair is on point.
Secondly, try to get objective feedback on your cold approach game. Either find the guy who you know bangs a lot of girls to go out with you or consider taking a boot camp. You can also try to have one of your friends video tape your interaction . As long as it is not too long if you post here I will watch and give you honest feedback.
Cheers,
Alex
Thanks Alex! Interesting point about direct and semi-direct. I can definitely see semi-direct might be more effective, though might not be the easiest to implement, as one might not have something to comment on on every occasion.
I agree that my approaches are not optimum, though improving. I started keeping record. Doing around 30 approaches on weekends(Fri-Sat-Sun). In Feb, I was averaging to one instant date per weekend. Three out of last four weekends I had two each week. Interestingly, if there is a good attraction, i can get the instant date, there is no progress for any of the other numbers. I agree with you, it is most likely because of the approach. Also, i have to note that, I haven't converted any of the instant dates. Though, other than 2 of them, none were very solid. I took a boot-camp a year and a half ago, was very helpful. (I am not counting the one with RSD, not much value there). Thanks for commenting on the expected response rate at an advanced level. It is great to have reference to aim for.
Props for taking action man. However, it sounds like you really spinning your wheels, especially since you haven't converted any of the instant dates. Personally, I find instant date overrated. If I am to do and " Insta date" it is purely within intention of pulling the girl to my place and the "insta date" is just a segway.
In terms of statistics, I would say that for day game (in the US) between 1 out of 2 and 1 out of 3 girls you talk to should lead to numbers. Out of those about 50% should be responsive. You should bang over 50% of the cold approach leads that you meet up for a date. And overall, if you are banging 10% of the numbers you get than you are on the right track.
If these stats are significantly different from your results, then I highly encourage you to reevaluate what you are doing. I have seen too many guys get burnt out from mass approaching with no results to show for it.
In my opinion, best thing you can do is put yourself in the other person's shoes. What would be likely to get you to respond?
Girls get hit on all the time - most are very used to rejecting people. You've got to do something that makes you stands out, and puts her instinct to reject on pause. What's something interesting about you that would make a girl want to engage?
Good points. I was thinking, opening direct on street is unique enough. Initially mostly very receiptive. Though i cant leave th interaction in a high note
I used to be a big fan of opening very direct "I thought you were cute and wanted to meet you". However, as my game got better I realized that the semi-direct opener with very direct body language and eye contact is actually much better. It allows you to avoid her "auto reject" programming , while still getting the same point across. The key is to be able to clearly convey intent with your sub-communication , rather than directly with the opener..
I can go direct but 100x better results going indirect or indirect direct. As in, can be direct about her style, nails, haircut, etc rather then ron burgundy, i wanna be on you lol.
Seed it but man to woman. Trick i use, approach as if you already hit it. There should be a sense of assumed familiarity. In doing so, i have had girls ask my ig or fb.
Spam volume. Test. See what works. Direct hasn't been as useful and the way women are weaponized and indoctrinated, its a waste.
Lead. Set pace. Pickup. Setup casual encounter. No date or romance. Its to be earned. Most aren't worthy of the soet of effort.
